Thursday, September 11, 2008

Blatantly untrue:

This ad

What I am not interested in: whether this means John McCain is a liar, or just a politican, or whether there is in fact any difference between these two things.

What I am interested in: people who believe this ad are being misled.


Blogger zelda said...

Sure. Because people to whom the ad will appeal (conservatives without college degrees) aren't smart enough to figure it out for themselves. There should be a government program for that.

I'll watch the ad now.

8:50 AM  
Blogger zelda said...

Uh, what's not true?

8:53 AM  
Blogger Sarah said...

Actually, I think this ad is meant to appeal to older people who are afraid of having their fixed incomes shrunk any more. And what is untrue is the claim that Obama wants to raise taxes.

9:23 AM  
Blogger zelda said...

He may not *want* to but taxes will go up for certain populations and payroll taxes will go up.

10:28 AM  
Blogger zelda said...

Are a lot of seniors saving for college these days? I had no idea.

10:45 AM  
Blogger Sarah said...

Umm, very funny, but they specifically mention saving for retirement. Which clearly means the over 50 bunch. The voice-over and the shot of the older woman also make it clear that senior citizens are also being targeted.

McCain's own policy advisor has stated that Obama's plans will not raise taxes. Although they are using it as a scare tactic in this ad, it is, as I said, blatantly untrue.

7:44 AM  
Blogger zelda said...

I would hardly say that seniors are being a targeted in an ad that appears to target just about everyone. Families, young people...I think your slip is showing.

7:57 AM  
Blogger zelda said...

Also, the net effect of Obama's plan will raise taxes for some people and it will raise payroll taxes. But again, these are taxes on people who don't count.

Also, Obama's plan will continue the evil GWB tax cuts indefinitely. So what was all the hand wringing and pearl clutching over those tax cuts for the last eight years really about?

7:59 AM  
Blogger Lesley said...

How many days till this election is over? The ads are killing me.

9:59 AM  
Blogger Sarah said...

I think an ad can target more than one population. And if you mean to imply that I am old, yes I am.

Indefinitely is not the same as permanently.

I don't even have to agree with Obama's policies to make this argument -- his plan lowers taxes for most people, and ads that claim they don't are untrue. This is a scare tactic, pure and simple.

12:31 PM  
Blogger zelda said...


I was saying you were partisan. Like me...only lefter.

4:05 PM  
Blogger zelda said...

A target means that something is singled out. This ad singled out tax payers. You said it singled out the elderly. It spoke to the elderly among others but that's not what your post said.

4:08 PM  
Blogger zelda said...

Lesley, I have to say it again, TIVO. I haven't seen a single ad on television yet and you know I watch some television.

The only ads I've seen are voluntarily on the internet. I either come across them in my reading (like here) or they are brought to my attention by my evil minions.

4:11 PM  
Blogger Sarah said...

“McCain has gone in some of his ads — similarly gone one step too far and sort of attributing to Obama things that are, you know, beyond the 100-percent-truth test,” Rove said.

source: Reuters


It's not partisan to point out that McCain is being untruthful.

1:21 PM  
Blogger zelda said...

Ha! I see you got the talking points from last week. I already saw the Rove bit. I had no idea you were a fan and put so much stock in his opinion.

I'm going to refrain from the righteous indignation about lying in politics. I just can't help but see the humor in misrepresenting an ad in a blog post about an alleged hornswoggle.

6:48 PM  
Blogger Sarah said...

Well, as an old person, I really heard the part that was aimed at old people. I don't deny it was aimed at other people as well. My main point, which I will repeat, is that the ad's consistent message, that Obama will raise taxes for people of limited means, is untrue. Not just kind of misleading. Flat out not true.

The quote from Rove is hardly a talking point. It is a quote. Which I provided a source for. My point there being merely that it is not partisan to say that McCain's campaign is spreading untruths. Unless Rove has recently become a Democrat.

7:33 AM  
Blogger zelda said...


As usual you completely missed my point and accuse me of saying things that I've never said, like "You're old". I already explained that I was saying you were being partisan in spite of your, honestly, laughable assertion that you're a moderate. I said your Democrat-voting, knee-jerk leftist slip was showing. I would never make that kind of personal attack and now you've accused me of it twice. Enough. I didn't call you old, for the last time, I called you a partisan hack trying to pass as a moderate.

And as I am finding this exchange to be completely pointless (how is it that a moderate can find zero points of agreement with the conservatives anyway?) I am no longer responding to this posts. I'll leave you to continue to immerse yourself in reading that never challenges your POV.

*Throws confetti on the way out*

10:14 AM  
Blogger Sarah said...

Sorry. I didn't say you called me old. I called me old. As an explanation of why that ad struck me as targeting older people. I felt targeted. That is all I was saying with that.

As for the rest, I stand by what I said.

5:22 PM  

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